tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post2401599644335529441..comments2024-03-18T16:33:31.633+00:00Comments on Capitalists@Work: The Long MarchCityUnslickerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15929544047783163175noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-38261968226544373262017-07-27T10:07:07.956+01:002017-07-27T10:07:07.956+01:00Steven_L
"You still have to commit the offenc...Steven_L<br />"You still have to commit the offence. And hurling threatening abuse at or harassing anyone is an offence and has been for a long time."<br /><br />No you don't. You don't have to hurl "threatening abuse"? And who hets to deem what "harassment" is? <br /><br />Once more, these crimes are now totally subjective. It's not what you say, it's how the person you say it to deems it to be. Once more with feeling, it is an offence to offend someone. So it's not cast in law what this is - it's what another person feels. If you don't get it, I'm wasting my time. Have a good one. Just make sure you don't say the wrong thing in the wrong place to the wrong person eh?<br />Elby the Beserkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15060519682739666145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-89319936502645412322017-07-26T12:00:42.041+01:002017-07-26T12:00:42.041+01:00From the link with my emphasis added:
A hate crim...From the link with my emphasis added:<br /><br /><i>A hate crime is <b>any criminal offence</b> that is motivated by a prejudice or hate ... <b>Any criminal offence</b> which is perceived, by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by a hostility or prejudice based on a person’s actual or perceived sexual orientation or gender is a hate crime.</i><br /><br />So there has to be an actual criminal offence - i.e. a public order offence (i.e. threatening behaviour) or harassment. The 'hate' element just increases the severity and the sentence. You still have to commit the offence. And hurling threatening abuse at or harassing anyone is an offence and has been for a long time.Steven_Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05029437876479574883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-33723040918286501512017-07-26T11:00:28.946+01:002017-07-26T11:00:28.946+01:00Brendan O'Neill of Spiked on Transgender polit...Brendan O'Neill of Spiked on Transgender politics. O'Neill's commentary on Brexit was way ahead of the rest of the pack. Always a good read. <br /><br />http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/the-orwellian-nightmare-of-transgender-politics/20116#.WXhnwIhuJhEElby the Beserkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15060519682739666145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-83078416764766664032017-07-26T09:51:46.557+01:002017-07-26T09:51:46.557+01:00Steven_L
https://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/ne...Steven_L<br /><br />https://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/newsroom/features/what-is-transgender-hate-crime/<br /><br />Elby the Beserkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15060519682739666145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-78476978890186793552017-07-25T22:01:44.847+01:002017-07-25T22:01:44.847+01:00the other (related) thing that needs to be factore...the other (related) thing that needs to be factored in is quantum computing<br /><br />if I understand correctly (and there is a very good chance I don't), blockchain is great - for security and transparency - right up until quantum computing can crack the calculations it depends upon and/or provides an alternative for the security aspect<br /><br />you'd hate to have bet the farm on something essentially transient, UNLESS you knew when to get out, of course - like everything else!<br /><br />in the meantime ... I can see some great commercial applications for blockchain (again, if I've understood) whch would (a) disintermediate some current City *practices*, but at the same time (b) open up new possibilities<br /><br />& the City is pretty nimble at picking up on new stuff - better than most other places (& particularly better than Frankfurt & Paris etc) Nick Drewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670594203660051701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-61881554015880777942017-07-25T21:32:48.761+01:002017-07-25T21:32:48.761+01:00Most will get burned. But is the blockchain system...Most will get burned. But is the blockchain system supporting it a serious threat to City jobs or is it a scam ?Electro-Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18073103431166273080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-26707810297277203282017-07-25T21:08:50.573+01:002017-07-25T21:08:50.573+01:00I think bitcoin is a pyramid scheme / bubble, so I...I think bitcoin is a pyramid scheme / bubble, so I've avoided it. Problem is it may not have really got going yet. I can live with the early adopters and eccentrics I know making a few quid off it, but if goes 'mainstream' and some twat at work is making tens of thousands I'll be pissed off I never got involved.<br /><br />First time I read the words 'bitcoin bitchez' on zero hedge they were about $2 each. Whoops.Steven_Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05029437876479574883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-57790141957586142582017-07-25T20:29:19.495+01:002017-07-25T20:29:19.495+01:00O/T
Does anyone have any views on Bitcoin/blockch...O/T<br /><br />Does anyone have any views on Bitcoin/blockchain and the impact it might have on the City and its professionals ? Are financial intermediaries about to become obsolete ?Electro-Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18073103431166273080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-35968733765954552052017-07-25T17:26:54.979+01:002017-07-25T17:26:54.979+01:00Have you been living abroad?
Kind of, PC hasn'...<i>Have you been living abroad?</i><br /><br />Kind of, PC hasn't really taken hold in Aberdeenshire to the same extent as the south of England.<br /><br />But I think you've the wrong end of the stick on 'hate crime'. Whilst there are specific offences for inciting racial or religious hatred, I'm not sure there is for 'trans' hate.<br /><br />The prosecutions you see for 'transphobia hate crimes' are all under 1980's and 1990's public order and protection from harassment legislation. You can in theory be prosecuted for hurling abuse at / theatening behaviour towards / harassing anyone. There are no specific or even post 1997 'trans hate crime' offences.<br /><br />Any evolution in the law in this area is the work of public opinion and the legal profession, not of Parliament. NuLabs equality legislation is all civil, sue your employer or complaint to the CEHR who can take injunctive action stuff.Steven_Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05029437876479574883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-26078026406088454272017-07-25T16:53:49.949+01:002017-07-25T16:53:49.949+01:00Steven_L Are you really aware of "hate" ...Steven_L Are you really aware of "hate" crimes? Anything which anybody deems to be offensive is now an offence. Similarly, anything that somebody deems to be racist **is** racist. The law now caters for subjective feelings. Some months ago, the BBC were - can you believe this - talking about "transphobia" on the football terraces. As if. As yet, failure to use tranny pronouns is not a specific crime, but there's nothing to stop a tranny who you upset by not calling them "whatever", they can have you prosecuted. <br /><br />Have you been living abroad? All this was brought upon us by Harman and her vile "equality" legislation. As any student of the enlightenment knows, you can have liberty, or you can have equality. But not both. The only way - as we see- to impose "equality" is to enforce it by law. As has been done. AT the cost of our liberty. <br /><br />Do keep up :-) Elby the Beserkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15060519682739666145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-40519639660530459372017-07-25T15:57:09.394+01:002017-07-25T15:57:09.394+01:00It's being forced to bow down to them by the l...<i>It's being forced to bow down to them by the law which is the problem.</i><br /><br />Which laws are requiring you to 'bow down' to trans people? I know of no such laws. <br /><br />If anything it's religious people that the law bows down to. Religious organisations are allowed to specify no trans people need apply, whereas a trans rights organisation cannot lawfully advertise for non-religious candidates.<br /><br />It's perfectly acceptable to thrust religion down the throats of children and adults alike. At school, on TV, during the Queens' speech we get fed this medieval mumbo jumbo. Religions are allowed to bankroll schools and present nonsenses that make Lewis Carroll look tame as fact, in the very same rooms as science is taught. <br /><br />And going back to the original post, how many times have you seen Oxford, Cambridge or any other red brick universities ridiculed here for offering 'theology' degrees?Steven_Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05029437876479574883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-75840073415878670932017-07-25T15:16:54.852+01:002017-07-25T15:16:54.852+01:00@Elby
Your 2:43pm post sums up precisely my feeli...@Elby<br /><br />Your 2:43pm post sums up precisely my feelings on all of this. I couldn't give a hoot about which anatomical parts go where or in whom (or what), I'm entirely uninterested in hearing about their lifestyles, but what really, really gets my goat is when hysterical bastards get in my face and start yelling. And don't even mention Eddie Izzard.formertoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787382608124662939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-35862434929253471872017-07-25T14:45:21.275+01:002017-07-25T14:45:21.275+01:00Interesting article on this very matter by a gay b...Interesting article on this very matter by a gay bloke, on Conservative Home<br /><br />http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2017/07/graeme-archer-im-a-gay-man-not-lgbtq-heres-why-tories-mustnt-play-the-transgender-identity-politics-game.htmlElby the Beserkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15060519682739666145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-32138658703083321812017-07-25T14:43:54.681+01:002017-07-25T14:43:54.681+01:00Steven_L Again, you seem to be missing the point. ...Steven_L Again, you seem to be missing the point. I don't think anyone commenting here gives a flying duck about what people want to pretend to be. It's being forced to bow down to them by the law which is the problem. And the bloody racket the noisy ones make. As far as I can see, LGBTQRTY people have exactly the same rights as everybody else (except us straights can't have Civil Partnerships). So why do they have to endless bang on about their rights? Why can't they just get on with their lives like the rest of us, and indeed, as the more than a handful of gay blokes we know do. Elby the Beserkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15060519682739666145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-42703727263582272062017-07-25T14:20:02.189+01:002017-07-25T14:20:02.189+01:00... and how many of these people are over 70?
Who...<i>... and how many of these people are over 70?</i><br /><br />Who cares? We can buy cigarettes and vodka, so why not hormones?Steven_Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05029437876479574883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-18440969799986972572017-07-25T13:36:08.383+01:002017-07-25T13:36:08.383+01:00In Thailand, where they have the most trans women ...In Thailand, where they have the most trans women per head, hormones and other treatments are pretty much unregulated, it's quite normal for gay men transition as teenagers, and it doesn't seem to be a problem.<br /><br />... and how many of these people are over 70?<br />There are nasty consequences to using hormones unwisely - one reason <a href="https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjLweHquKTVAhXLJ1AKHeD_ABgQFgg9MAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.renalandurologynews.com%2Faua-2016-misc-urinary-problems%2Fmortality-rate-higher-among-bodybuilders%2Farticle%2F495038%2F&usg=AFQjCNG8ipya8gy4_7Jp0UHZhPyV5g_MJw" rel="nofollow">weightlifters as a group tend to die young.</a><br />andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07311993288675111834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-75591541835324992672017-07-25T13:10:38.693+01:002017-07-25T13:10:38.693+01:00BTW - being ignored and hoping they'll go away...<i>BTW - being ignored and hoping they'll go away is anathema to trans*: they want that to be considered immoral, too (ND)</i><br /><br />I think you're stereotyping people and over-simplifying things. Like anyone else, people who identify as trans are individuals. They transition for their own reasons and they have their own opinions. Suggesting that highly vocal trans activists are representing the views of all trans people is a nonsense.<br /><br />In Thailand, where they have the most trans women per head, hormones and other treatments are pretty much unregulated, it's quite normal for gay men transition as teenagers, and it doesn't seem to be a problem.<br /><br /><br /><br />Steven_Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05029437876479574883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-46320291110789341792017-07-25T11:17:26.068+01:002017-07-25T11:17:26.068+01:00Nick,
Yes - maybe I like Sir Rog because I'm ...Nick,<br /><br />Yes - maybe I like Sir Rog because I'm a bit odd too. So people tell me. If you have not read last year's collection of essays, "Confessions of a Heretic", do. The last one, "Defending the West" is as succinct an explanation of how the West and Islam are utterly incompatible is, for me, spot on. <br /><br />Try telling the politicos, however - tho' I have persuaded our local MP, David Warburton (have a lot of time for him, tip-tip constituency MP), who is involved in some British Council forum on extremism, to read Douglas Murray's equally sobering "The Strange Death of Europe". Both the above essential, if truly alarming reading, given the clear mission of our leaders to ram Islam down our throats whether we like it or not. <br /><br />I like to ask its defenders what Islam has contributed to the world since Andalusia (which has also been hugely massaged), where are their Bach, Vermeer, Shakespeare, Goethe, Einstein, Feynman? What are their contributions to modern medicine? A stunned silence is what I get. As the count is zero. I'm sick of politicos saying "Islam is the religion of peace", when history and the Koran shows it is exactly the opposite. Islam spreads by war. And we are at war, it's just that we in the West haven't clocked it yet. so utterly dumb are we now in the defence of all that defines Western culture and civilisation, which, whatever its warts, has made the world a hugely better place to live in. <br /><br />Penicillin alone would mark that out. Name me an analagous contribution from Islam to making the world better for one and all. Take your time. You'll need it!Elby the Beserkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15060519682739666145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-30256534123930557602017-07-25T10:55:45.828+01:002017-07-25T10:55:45.828+01:00the men in white gowns will come for you (ND)- No ...<i>the men in white gowns will come for you (ND)- No they won't, David Icke self identified as Jesus for years. You can only be sectioned if you are a danger to yourself or others. And it has to be a pretty immediate danger</i><br /><br />OK but you know what I mean - obviously the arrival of the white gowns is quite far down the spectrum of What Happens Next: I'm just pointing out that there is a range of societal responses to "I'm an X" when <i>prima facie</i> I'm not. And yes, ignoring me & hoping I'll go away is on that spectrum, too<br /><br />BUT - importantly, the anti-trans* feminists hold that trans*male/lesbians can indeed be a danger to them: just another variant on many oppressive male ploys (and, I think we may agree, a fairly innovative one)<br /><br />of course their position is somewhat diluted by their view that pretty much all men can be a danger to them<br /><br />which is why my first comment was - this is all quite funny (as well as having a serious side) <br /><br />BTW - being ignored and hoping they'll go away is anathema to trans*: they want that to be considered immoral, tooNick Drewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670594203660051701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-21022242104914704642017-07-25T10:39:46.913+01:002017-07-25T10:39:46.913+01:00@E-K
"Vagenda"
Excellent!@E-K<br /><br />"Vagenda"<br /><br />Excellent!formertoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787382608124662939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-89187962297806886932017-07-25T10:30:53.461+01:002017-07-25T10:30:53.461+01:00But religionists are far greater in number.
And t...<i>But religionists are far greater in number.</i><br /><br />And this is basically the crux of it. But turn the tables and Brighton is actually a much nicer place to hang out than Bradford.<br /><br /><i>if you self-identify as Napoleon Bonaparte, the men in white gowns will come for you (ND)</i><br /><br />No they won't, David Icke self identified as Jesus for years. You can only be sectioned if you are a danger to yourself or others. And it has to be a pretty immediate danger. Note that hopeless crack and heroin addicts or alcoholics are not rarely sectioned and forced to undergo treatment. So at least part of your philosophy is based on a false premise.<br /><br /><i>Steven L - the law in the UK does not yet compel us to use whoever's "pronouns" but it will. (EtB) </i><br /><br />I think you'll find employment legislation could be used to ensure than the adopted pronoun was used int he workplace. But we can't ridicule peoples' religious beliefs int he workplace either so what's the difference?<br /><br /><i>the next move to be their insistence that we must have legislation appointing toilet monitors (ft)</i><br /><br />Perhaps they could use existing local authority licensing legislation for some premises? Of course most busy, city centre, licensed premises already have toilet monitors, but for some reason, they are all (and I mean every single one I've ever seen in 20 years of visiting licensed premises) black Africans. Work that one out!Steven_Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05029437876479574883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-87031237165293187592017-07-25T10:15:29.156+01:002017-07-25T10:15:29.156+01:00Yes
I think men sitting down will be next on the ...Yes<br /> I think men sitting down will be next on the vagenda.E-Knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-72350305870960528272017-07-25T10:09:45.188+01:002017-07-25T10:09:45.188+01:00I don't understand this thread.
Maybe it'...I don't understand this thread.<br /><br />Maybe it's because I'm black. Raedwaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11699610899843349594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-43305937773684272182017-07-25T10:01:23.978+01:002017-07-25T10:01:23.978+01:00I think this has becòme our new favourite subject....I think this has becòme our new favourite subject.E-Knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-41990836808521321592017-07-25T09:14:29.914+01:002017-07-25T09:14:29.914+01:00By the way, am I the only person so wonder if Rach...By the way, am I the only person so wonder if Rachel Dolezal is in fact Sideshow Bob, self-<br />identifying as a woman?formertoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787382608124662939noreply@blogger.com