tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post378616427891868769..comments2024-03-28T22:45:51.014+00:00Comments on Capitalists@Work: Whatever happened to credible spin?CityUnslickerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15929544047783163175noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-17650371949016481422018-11-30T21:59:54.561+00:002018-11-30T21:59:54.561+00:00& that last sentence
who do you think you are...& that last sentence<br /><br />who do you think you are<br /><br />Rolf Harris ?david morrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-65544995274043318732018-11-30T21:57:47.484+00:002018-11-30T21:57:47.484+00:00"Bad" Al C still has his gifts ?
Pulees..."Bad" Al C still has his gifts ?<br /><br />Puleese.<br /><br />He can still negotiate his way around the media - BBC/C4/Graun, because of his rep & past favours given but outside that happy hunting ground he is a cancer to any cause he latches onto.<br /><br />There is no more reviled a character (other than Bliar) in the country today.<br />david morrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-86074269010849341662018-11-30T17:29:02.108+00:002018-11-30T17:29:02.108+00:00Thick - I will post about it.See if any one else a...Thick - I will post about it.See if any one else agrees.<br />And we will know if it is a trap,soon enough.<br /><br />EK - Campbell has issues. Very dark demons. Probably well deserved.<br />But he does know about mental health from firsthand experience.<br /><br />Robert Enke, German goalie, committed suicide in 2009. For no real reason. <br />Loving and very beautifil wife and young family.<br />Very successful career that was becoming even more successful as he was the next choice to be the no 1 goalkeeper for the German national team.<br />Stacks of cash in the bank. Fast cars and a superb home. Plus holiday homes here and there. Able to partake in all his sports and hobbies that he wished.<br />Killed himself. Because he didn't see that he was doing anyone any good. And he felt a failure. <br /><br />Depression is an illness. One good thing about Mad May is that she recognises that and is funding it better.Bill Quango MPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14861116614665461655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-63140613687545600372018-11-30T16:56:52.565+00:002018-11-30T16:56:52.565+00:00Anon @ 12.49
I remember Campbell visiting Nick Ke...Anon @ 12.49<br /><br />I remember Campbell visiting Nick Kennerley's not-very-PC site (The Real Peter Hitchens/Beast of Clerkenwell) and telling him what a low life he was. He had him down as a racist. (Nick was being ironic.)<br /><br />Nick passed away a member of a Gospel church and his real life community was 100% black in the end !<br /><br />WTF does Campbell know of humanity let alone humility ?E-Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16657071992016670517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-80321063890745185042018-11-30T16:55:10.731+00:002018-11-30T16:55:10.731+00:00News on Twitter is they’ve agreed terms.News on Twitter is they’ve agreed terms.James Highamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14525082702330365464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-43448862378610102462018-11-30T16:53:47.603+00:002018-11-30T16:53:47.603+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.E-Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16657071992016670517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-3115570509663754632018-11-30T16:45:34.356+00:002018-11-30T16:45:34.356+00:00Call me thick but what is the elephant trap?Call me thick but what is the elephant trap?Thickhttp://www.thick.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-52388593546668705012018-11-30T16:22:04.052+00:002018-11-30T16:22:04.052+00:00@ Bill Q (Anon 3 here)
I don't know about any...@ Bill Q (Anon 3 here)<br /><br />I don't know about any No 10 campaign to take out BJ; the key thing here is that his actual capability has been found significantly wanting since he left the Mayor of London job (where it's not really needed - witness the current incumbent)<br /><br />BJ is great and persuasive with words, newspaper articles and speeches...but that's it. There's literally no substance behind that facade.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-52378518731094929592018-11-30T15:28:34.640+00:002018-11-30T15:28:34.640+00:00Andrew Z . Yes agree with all that. But I also hol...Andrew Z . Yes agree with all that. But I also hold that the new breed, aren’t as good as the old. Or they would have had us all doing their bidding. Like they managed in the old days. <br /><br />SW: I think he’s building up to something. Not through choice, but through events. But I don’t think for a second it’s leave on deal.<br /><br />Ek:- if the ‘stablishment had managed to knobble the Express, and especially The Mail, before the referendum, we never would have left. They learned that lesson.<br />Though I don’t know how the new Daily May will cope with losing 500,000 readers over 2-3 year period.<br /><br />CU. Right. It’s the fixed term that has ended the volatility. For better and for worse.<br /><br />Anon 1. Campbell is interesting. Far more than just a thumper and bumper. Very like his thick of it image I suspect.<br />But he is a genius of his craft.<br />For instance, he, more than anyone, was responsible for bringing down a journalist. Causing shockwaves of terror throughout the BBC. The resignation of a directorial general and a cowed Toady programme. I recall sitting in very early morning traffic when the dodgy dossier was announced to the world on radio 4. And I thought if they haven’t got this 100% airtight, the bbc are dead.<br /><br />They hadn’t. And rightly suffered for inferring the PM was a warmongering manipulator of facts. The purging followed soon after.<br /><br />But today, Ali C is welcome on any bbc prog, Day or night. Welcome and respected and admired and encouraged.<br />So he still has his gifts.<br /><br />Anon2. I think he is. Perhaps only subconsciously. But the evidence is all about. I don’t believe he has Nazi flags in his bedroom or visits far right blogs. Just that if he was given the choice between a United ireland or a Palestinian state, the second choice would be his.<br />His dislike of Jews in general would sway him.<br /><br />As for behind the scenes meddling, Boris Johnson was taken out by May and Corbyn activity. His chances to become PM look slim.<br />Much of it self inflicted, of course. But there was a number ten campaign to severely discredit him.<br /><br />Bill Quango MPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14861116614665461655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-55430445523442194792018-11-30T13:32:38.311+00:002018-11-30T13:32:38.311+00:00Stop doing this, BQ!
"Corbyn's people ha...Stop doing this, BQ!<br /><br /><i>"Corbyn's people have only convinced the faithful that he isn't an antisemitic terrorist appeaser."</i><br /><br />Corbyn is an actual terrorist supporter (IRA) but he's not an antisemite. Feeling that the Palestinians have had a rough deal and not being 110% behind Israel come what may a la May/Cameron/Blair, does not an anti-Semite make.<br /><br />The fact that Corbyn was elected LP leader and is still there is I guess another one of those shocks to the elites like the Brexit and Trump votes, and I imagine there's plenty of behind the scenes activity devoted to ensuring suuch a thing never happens again, just as there is with Trump and Brexit.<br /><br /><i>"Has it always been as bad as it is now but with the advent of social/alternative media we're just better and understanding the crap that's being fed to us?"</i><br /><br />I don't think it's ALWAYS been as bad, but then we had elites who didn't despise and hate us. But ask yourself, where have the nightly news feeds from Syria got to? Has the war stopped? And why aren't we seeing the gallant White Helmets digging bewildered toddlers out of ruins in Yemen? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-21539104925736338942018-11-30T12:49:19.266+00:002018-11-30T12:49:19.266+00:00We had Campbell speak at an event I was at yesterd...We had Campbell speak at an event I was at yesterday, he wasn't allowed to speak of Brexit, (We had enough of that with Mandelson last year) although he couldn't help himself.<br /><br />He was talking of mental health, interesting to hear a different view point - but you could tell just how much of a narcissistic and deluded character he must be.<br /><br />I don't think he has one ounce of understanding of any of the negatives that came about from the the Blair years, he truly thinks his master was the greatest PM of all time - so he probably is an expert on experiencing mental health issues.<br /><br />But going back to this topic - I've been following the Russia-Gate story, which to me is a master class of spin and narrative setting. It looks like the UK (and AUS) intelligence community were deeply involved, much like with the dodgy dossier and narrative setting from the Iraq war.<br /><br /><br />I'm at the point where I trust very little of what I read anywhere - separating fact from opinion or just down right lies to understanding whether it's information from disinformation (Khashoggi murder another good example of this in action) has become impossible.<br /><br />Has it always been as bad as it is now but with the advent of social/alternative media we're just better and understanding the crap that's being fed to us?<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-44831433021701085922018-11-30T11:47:44.884+00:002018-11-30T11:47:44.884+00:00May is going to debate selling a deal she does not...May is going to debate selling a deal she does not believe in with Corbyn promoting a new referendum when he wants us to leave. <br /><br />I think both of their careers are at an end, but mainly thanks to the Fixed Term Parliament act they are still in power. My reasoning here is that in the past Jezbollah would have been gone after a year of failure and with an election looming, but Tezza's election was a surprise so he got lucky. Then Tezza's defeat and current abject performance would have the Tories making swift changes - but no, with 4 years until an election they can let her take the flak, almost literally then choose someone else.....even when they are in a minority.<br /><br />Under the old rules, the DUP would have abstained by now and we would have an election. Under the old rules, with that in prospec May would have been gone at Chequers summit in the summer. <br /><br />The fixed term act can be added to the list of why our politicians are so crap and will continue to be. CityUnslickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929544047783163175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-1911842936330945712018-11-30T11:25:16.693+00:002018-11-30T11:25:16.693+00:00Me too, SW.
There is nothing to fear from Corbyn...Me too, SW. <br /><br />There is nothing to fear from Corbyn. The same power base that sabotaged Brexit will sabotage him.<br /><br /> https://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/frederick-forsyth/1052467/brexit-sabotaged-uk-eu-frederick-forsyth<br /><br />I agree with all of this except that May was 'gullible' (innocent.) All this shit about strong and stoical - FGS ! She has the full Remain support phoning her up and giving her fillip. Pats on back, winks... all going to plan... hnn. hnnnn ... ha ha .... BWAH-HA-HA-HA ! <br /><br />If you feel that the Tory Party should be punished terminally for their treason then do so or you will have poisonous levels of pent up anger within you for the rest of your life. <br /><br />E-Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16657071992016670517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-29165051895002798572018-11-30T09:05:42.926+00:002018-11-30T09:05:42.926+00:00I don’t know why Steptoe doesn’t go for it and off...I don’t know why Steptoe doesn’t go for it and offer an actual Brexit. Even I’d vote for the fool if he did.Sebastian Weetabixnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-37111813700725403282018-11-30T00:16:55.662+00:002018-11-30T00:16:55.662+00:00"Whatever happened to credible spin?"
T..."Whatever happened to credible spin?"<br /><br />Three things happened. Firstly, the internet changed the meaning of "the media". When Blair was plotting his way to power in the 1990s, controlling the media meant leaning on half a dozen editors in central London who all moved in the same milieu and came from the same background. Now it means trying to influence thousands of media outlets across the globe, most of whom are immune to any influence that British politicians can bring to bear.<br /><br />Secondly, the public got wise to the tactics of spin, making it ever harder to spin anything.<br /><br />Thirdly, the titans of the spin era moved on to other things and were replaced by imitators who tried to repeat their formula without understanding that circumstances had changed in a way that rendered the formula ineffective.<br /><br />Spin politics is dead but the vacancy it has left has yet to be filled. It's one of those periods of history in which reality has moved on and the political class has yet to catch up.AndrewZnoreply@blogger.com