tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post3841512285942840133..comments2024-03-29T12:46:22.235+00:00Comments on Capitalists@Work: Tree hugging nonsense, election specialCityUnslickerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15929544047783163175noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-26202187395664409432019-11-30T13:01:18.909+00:002019-11-30T13:01:18.909+00:00The missed point is that Boris steals a march ever...The missed point is that Boris steals a march every time he promises Brexit, so the BBC have gone and changed the agenda on Remain's behalf in order to rescue them. <br /><br />Nearly all Remainers are radical greenists. So the more green politicians get elected to Parliament then the more Remainers are elected automatically too. <br /><br />Clever, eh ?<br /><br />This election was meant to be about Brexit !E-Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16657071992016670517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-47072579493568147002019-11-29T14:26:37.915+00:002019-11-29T14:26:37.915+00:00,,, misread what you asked Anon. The doc has figu...,,, misread what you asked Anon. The doc has figures for every 5 years from 1990, plus 2017 and 2018. It doesn't back up "38% reduction in the last decade".<br /><br />The highest decade reduction I can see is 30.2% from ~2007.5 (midpoint of 2005 & 2010) to ~2017.5 (midpoint of 2017 and 2018): (373.2 + 364.1) / (557.9 + 498.3 ) = 0.698<br /><br />The per decade reduction has been accelerating, presumably mainly due to offshore wind going big plus efficiency improvements like better cars and LED bulbs:<br /><br />1990 to 2000: 6.4% reduction<br />2000 to 2010: 10.75% reduction<br />2005 to 2015: 26.8% reductionrwendlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07861901317813829419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-86516494593962519572019-11-29T14:07:48.579+00:002019-11-29T14:07:48.579+00:00Anon, the 2018 Greenhouse gas stats doc I link jus...Anon, the 2018 Greenhouse gas stats doc I link just above says:<br /><br />"The provisional estimates suggest that in 2018, total UK greenhouse gas emissions were 43.5 per cent lower than in 1990 and 2.5 per cent lower than 2017.<br /><br />...<br /><br />The decrease in carbon dioxide emissions was driven by the continuing downward trend in emissions from power stations, with a 9.9 per cent decrease between 2017 and 2018. This is mainly as a result of changes in the fuel mix used for electricity generation, away from coal and towards renewables."<br /><br />So a bit better with the latest provisional 2018 numbers - my guess CU used the previous year numbers.rwendlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07861901317813829419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-67485771551268634542019-11-29T12:48:50.968+00:002019-11-29T12:48:50.968+00:00
Where do you find a 38% reduction in the last dec...<br />Where do you find a 38% reduction in the last decade?<br /><br />All I can find it a 38% reduction since 1990?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-12915259010485770432019-11-29T12:06:59.063+00:002019-11-29T12:06:59.063+00:00RwenlNd the source I was using said 45 soft trees ...RwenlNd the source I was using said 45 soft trees per tonne, maybe forestry are using different tree types.CityUnslickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929544047783163175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-56978888349631906802019-11-29T10:42:46.278+00:002019-11-29T10:42:46.278+00:00CU, I make it that 1 million hectares would eventu...CU, I make it that 1 million hectares would eventually absorb 100%, not 12.5%, of one year of UK carbon output, based on the info in the Forestry Commission document linked below.<br /><br />The document says roughly British trees absorb 100 tonnes/hectare of carbon (note not CO2) when fully grown - Corsican Pine is the winner at 135 t/ha, but a mix is about 100.<br /><br />So the maths goes, relying on my rusty A-level chemistry recollection of atomic weights:<br /><br />1) 27.3% of CO2 is carbon: 12 / (12 + 16 + 16) = 0.273<br /><br />2) In 2018, UK net emissions of carbon dioxide were 364.1 million tonnes according to govt stats linked below.<br /><br />3) Of that CO2, 99.4 million tonnes was carbon: (364.1 * 1000000) * 0.273 = 99.39 million<br /><br />4) At 100 t/ha 1 million hectares of trees will ultimately absorb all of 2018's UK net carbon emissions: (99.39 * 1000000) / 100 = 0.99 million = ~1 million<br /><br />Your maths above seems sound, so it seems there must be a clash between our sources on some basic fact. What do you think of these compared to yours?<br /><br />Forestry Commission document (dated 1989):<br /><br />https://www.forestresearch.gov.uk/documents/4749/RIN160.pdf<br /><br />2018 Greenhouse gas stats:<br /><br />https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/790626/2018-provisional-emissions-statistics-report.pdfrwendlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07861901317813829419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-300338665884293722019-11-29T08:51:50.838+00:002019-11-29T08:51:50.838+00:00Also a lot of our rarer species are not woodland s...Also a lot of our rarer species are not woodland species but wetland or heathland species so this could wipe them out if happened.<br />E.g Large Blue Butterfly, Short tongued Bumble bee etc.L fairfaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12274756119129254373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-66467448905770462402019-11-29T08:35:25.655+00:002019-11-29T08:35:25.655+00:00Climate "Emergency" (BBC all the time)
...Climate "Emergency" (BBC all the time)<br /><br />So that's that then. Brexit is down the list.E-Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16657071992016670517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-75077645194198706932019-11-28T22:08:13.501+00:002019-11-28T22:08:13.501+00:00Greta Thunberg runs our government. Greta Thunberg runs our government. E-Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16657071992016670517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-42725375084428411532019-11-28T21:49:44.716+00:002019-11-28T21:49:44.716+00:00"trees don't grow all over the mountains ...<i>"trees don't grow all over the mountains of Wales or Scotland so vast areas of wilderness you can't turn to forest"</i><br /><br />Actually they pretty much did - sheep did the damage. Same in the non-desert parts of Iceland - the trees were all gone within a century or two of Viking colonisation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-46148726879742189962019-11-28T21:29:23.350+00:002019-11-28T21:29:23.350+00:00Will Arlene survive the inquiry into RHI? I would ...Will Arlene survive the inquiry into RHI? I would imagine so as no inquiry that I can think of manages to actually attach any blame to anyone in the public sector.<br /><br />No doubt, lessons will be learned - not how to no waste public money, but how to avoid being caught our next time.<br /><br />A pox on their house.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08141297358269863170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-40672998984863889522019-11-28T21:07:50.195+00:002019-11-28T21:07:50.195+00:00In Britain, burning trees for electricity qualifie...In Britain, burning trees for electricity qualifies as green! We dish out well over £1bn per annum in subsidies for it! And that's at the industrial level (Drax et al), never mind the RHI ...<br /><br />I know of nobody in the electricity industry who doesn't snort with derision at the stupidity of it - and that includes the people who are doing itNick Drewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670594203660051701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-79046172223959979962019-11-28T20:47:27.893+00:002019-11-28T20:47:27.893+00:00There's no need to plant any bloody trees. Th...There's no need to plant any bloody trees. This is Britain: if you fence off any land below about 1500' to keep out grazing animals, then - except in fens, blanket bog, or the subarctic tundra in the far north of Scotland- woodland will start growing spontaneously.<br /><br />I'll grant you that if you want trees in Shetland you'll need to plant them - there's a woman who has had success with Alaskan species. But otherwise barbed wire and benign neglect is all you need.deariemenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-81382567715798477782019-11-28T20:36:15.824+00:002019-11-28T20:36:15.824+00:00YDG is a genius!YDG is a genius!Bill Quangonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-12564953629260464962019-11-28T19:36:30.883+00:002019-11-28T19:36:30.883+00:00"You need 45 trees to store one ton of carbon..."You need 45 trees to store one ton of carbon dioxide, of course this is only store so <i>you can't go cutting them down again</i>."<br /><br />No, no, no, no. This is a golden opportunity to wrap ourselves in the green flag, extort money out of the EU, abolish unemployment in rundown areas, provide fuel for future generations <i>and</i> make chunks of the country geologically stable again.<br /><br />1. Plant a few hundred thousand trees.<br /><br />2. Wait a bit.<br /><br />3. Chop them down, and - this is the clever bit - <i>put them in the empty and disused coal mines</i> - of which we have a great many. Thus creating lots of "green" jobs in run-down, former mining communities - so we should be able to get squillions in EU subsidies; CAP subsidies for growing the trees; eco subsidies for burying them - maybe even regional development subsidies for the jobs in disadvantaged areas.<br /><br />4. As the underground galleries fill up, seal them with concrete. The wood might still decay but the carbon is trapped underground.<br /><br />Repeat steps 1-4 for as long as we have space underground - probably centuries - but meanwhile ...<br /><br />5. Wait a bit more<br /><br />6. The trees sealed in fairly airtight underground chambers have <i>turned back into coal</i> so we can dig it back up and use it as fuel! How "green" is that?<br /><br />7. Sell this service to foreigners ie Dear China/India/wherever - bung us some cash and we'll bury even more trees to off-set your CO2 production.<br /><br />Am I too late to apply for a patent?<br />YDGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-49755272966761093372019-11-28T16:45:45.637+00:002019-11-28T16:45:45.637+00:00... or should that be two stroke?
thankyouiamher...... or should that be two stroke?<br /><br /><br />thankyouiamhereallweek.andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07311993288675111834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-1238677083530600762019-11-28T16:44:32.531+00:002019-11-28T16:44:32.531+00:00
@Anomalous Cowshed
Ask Roger the shrubber
In th...<br />@Anomalous Cowshed<br /><br />Ask Roger the shrubber<br /><br />In these strange economic times demand for shrubbery just has not been what it used to be.<br /><br /><br /><br />In other news, there is hope - some person in Dublin (? - R4 on Tues am) has come up with a way of turning the waste product from making beer into fuel - this waste used to go to landfill, and produce bad gasses.<br />The fuel is carbon-neutral as the exhaust gas ~ the carbon needed to grow the crops.<br />More reason to drink beer as well.<br />Sometimes genuine progress is made at one stroke - both economically and culturally.<br /><br />andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07311993288675111834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-46519268547635148822019-11-28T16:28:51.110+00:002019-11-28T16:28:51.110+00:00I don't think Labour said where they would pla...I don't think Labour said where they would plant the trees, so this could just be a case of diverting the entire foreign aid budget to planting trees in Africa.DJKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-4095094547744919952019-11-28T16:25:31.287+00:002019-11-28T16:25:31.287+00:00What makes you think Labour would buy private land...What makes you think Labour would <i>buy</i> private land when it could be confiscated much more cost effectively? No moving your farm to Switzerland to avoid the thieving bastards like the utilities have done.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08141297358269863170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-76915699204354127212019-11-28T15:42:56.395+00:002019-11-28T15:42:56.395+00:00Or you could just accept that a warmer UK would be...Or you could just accept that a warmer UK would be a very good thing, whereas a colder UK would result in London being a few miles south of a glacier stretching to the north pole.iOpenerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00059950887197561123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-11011685015292825292019-11-28T15:41:50.410+00:002019-11-28T15:41:50.410+00:00Trees?
What's wrong with a nice shrubbery?Trees?<br /><br />What's wrong with a nice shrubbery?Anomalous Cowshedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06128613687139232168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-89895005952672551882019-11-28T15:19:55.155+00:002019-11-28T15:19:55.155+00:00If you don't cut down a tree, but leave it to ...If you don't cut down a tree, but leave it to die and rot, much of the stored carbon will be released as CO2. Fungi digest dead wood, oxidise it for energy, and release CO2.<br /><br />Some of the deeper roots may not rot, and nor will trees that die in acid swampy soils like those that formed the coal measures. But in Britain, most will rot.<br /><br />The leaves that fall every Autumn also rot and release CO2.<br /><br />If you cut a tree down and use the wood for furniture or building construction, you can delay the process of rotting for a century or more.<br /><br />Don CoxAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com