tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post4007370351995782127..comments2024-03-28T22:45:51.014+00:00Comments on Capitalists@Work: Labour to nationalise itself make the Labour party 'free to all'CityUnslickerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15929544047783163175noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-63552499292921758582019-12-04T23:01:19.566+00:002019-12-04T23:01:19.566+00:00I rarely bother to read the comments on here as th...I rarely bother to read the comments on here as they are often little more than angry Daily-Mail reader rants. I bothered today and wish I hadnt. I wish there were more intelligent Tories around; Conservatism has much to offer but red-faced buffoons are off-putting on any agenda.<br /><br />Anyhow, just popping in to let you know that today my election barometer produced its result.<br />This is the same barometer I used to predict a Brexit win and a hung parliament last time.<br /><br />My on-the-street, click-my-fingers-to-the-beat, down-with-the-kids instincts have told me that Labour will win this election. Today my 'barometer' came in and tells me that Labour will indeed win.<br /><br />My local MP is a quite a decent Tory and has been <i>very</i> good for the area and local issues in particular. I dont think he'll be unseated but it not beyond the realm of possiblity.<br /><br />Just for your own information (and future debate?) my election Barometer has been <i>far</i> more strongly in favour of Labour than I would have thought.<br /><br />In my area I would have said that '40% Labour' would have resulted in a very good Labour showing nationally. The barometer today read 59.5% Labour.<br /><br />Where I am, thats a heavy, heavy number for Labour.<br /><br />This really could be a shock election.<br /><br />MyISurpriseMyselfSometimesNamenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-24790388379874408832019-12-04T12:34:02.133+00:002019-12-04T12:34:02.133+00:00The mine closures coupled with Thatcher's tota...The mine closures coupled with Thatcher's total defeat in the culture wars meant spiritual and moral devastation for the mining areas, which in the 1930s despite massive poverty and hardship had maintained their culture/social fabric. <br /><br />So places that still had a community in the Hungry Thirties became smack-ridden disaster zones in the eighties. Many still are. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-62664135526402933072019-12-03T23:39:46.096+00:002019-12-03T23:39:46.096+00:00Penseivat
Memories are not always fair and often d...Penseivat<br />Memories are not always fair and often do not reflect facts.<br />Something like the mine closures take generations to get past.<br />In this election you need to be over 38 to have been alive when the mines closed.<br />andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07311993288675111834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-46868824476173029072019-12-03T19:41:13.682+00:002019-12-03T19:41:13.682+00:00Leaving those areas subsidised was the problem.
...Leaving those areas subsidised was the problem. <br /><br />The industries may have been closed down but the communities weren't and the subsidies kept coming, only this time (instead of propped up coal mines) in the form of welfare to support the families of drunken/drugged/absent fathers. <br /><br />Labour client state growing and growing. E-Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16657071992016670517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-63492524038506250322019-12-03T18:25:46.428+00:002019-12-03T18:25:46.428+00:00@Penseivat - you make the same mistake so many do....@Penseivat - you make the same mistake so many do.<br /><br />It's been a habit of mine, when someone kneejerk hates on Thatcher over the mines, to snarkily ask if they then support coal? At that point, most tend to babble a bit as they also tend to hate fossil fuels too. The smart ones respond with "it wasn't the coal, it was the abandoning"<br /><br />Which is the point. A lot of the old industrial parts were just left to rot by the Tories in managed decline and, once Brexit is out of the way, they'll revert to voting Labour instead of Tory because of that.<br /><br />Thatcher did a lot of smart things, but she had her moments of stupidity too - and entrenching those regions as Labour gimmes was one of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-69921783262917510092019-12-03T18:12:54.792+00:002019-12-03T18:12:54.792+00:00andrew said...
What gridbot said.
That and (oddly...andrew said...<br />What gridbot said.<br /><br />That and (oddly) people have memories.<br />Part of thatchers legacy was that most of the old clal mining and industrial areas in the north will not vote con.<br /><br />I wouldn't be so sure...<br /><br />https://order-order.com/2019/12/03/leave-supporting-labour-voters-focus-group-loves-boris/Elby the Beserkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15060519682739666145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-9837945517897755632019-12-03T15:17:25.749+00:002019-12-03T15:17:25.749+00:00@andrew,
The fact that Labour, under Harold Wilson...@andrew,<br />The fact that Labour, under Harold Wilson and Tony Benn, closed more mines than ever closed under Thatcher's rule, and imported coal from Poland. They did this to show solidarity to their socialist brothers (and give the Soviet Union access to hard currency). Also, when that paragon of ethics, Scargill called the miners out on strike (without a ballot), he also insisted that that included the engineers tasked with maintaining the machinery to prevent the mines from flooding. The end result was that several mines which were not due to close, had to be abandoned as the machinery to prevent flooding was under water! But, hey, let's not blame those responsible. Let's blame the evil Tories.Penseivathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12891041602104672626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-55582787614557086212019-12-03T13:41:55.526+00:002019-12-03T13:41:55.526+00:00Wasn't 'choice' one of their key words...Wasn't 'choice' one of their key words once ?E-Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16657071992016670517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-80847875397517561062019-12-03T13:41:22.563+00:002019-12-03T13:41:22.563+00:00Likewise the Tories should be open to competition ...Likewise the Tories should be open to competition and relish the Brexit Party standing against them. E-Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16657071992016670517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-6688683197466138932019-12-03T12:28:06.232+00:002019-12-03T12:28:06.232+00:00What gridbot said.
That and (oddly) people have m...What gridbot said.<br /><br />That and (oddly) people have memories.<br />Part of thatchers legacy was that most of the old clal mining and industrial areas in the north will not vote con.<br />Part of scotlands memories are that lab just did nothing for them for many years.<br /><br />The snp may be on he verge of finding out that being useless does not win elections.<br /><br />andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07311993288675111834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-69867972151917328062019-12-03T11:30:10.144+00:002019-12-03T11:30:10.144+00:00"next week": oh Christ, is it that soon?..."next week": oh Christ, is it that soon?<br /><br />Alternatively: thank God, it will soon be over. Or not, if we get a minority government.deariemenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-38743290956456511992019-12-03T11:02:20.691+00:002019-12-03T11:02:20.691+00:00Imagine a person of average intelligence. Half of ...Imagine a person of average intelligence. Half of all people will be less intelligent than this person. Combine that with how many people can't stand the BoJo brand. I think this is going to be a lot tighter thank you think CU.GridBotnoreply@blogger.com