tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post686367934898556972..comments2024-03-28T22:45:51.014+00:00Comments on Capitalists@Work: Final election thoughtsCityUnslickerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15929544047783163175noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-49593852908139236272010-05-13T13:22:59.005+01:002010-05-13T13:22:59.005+01:00Bill Q said: "If you say 'cuts' and t...Bill Q said: "If you say 'cuts' and the TV people say ..cut what? Old people's homes? Hospitals? Schools?"<br /><br />That is exactly the point: you positively DON'T say "cuts", you explain what the other lot has done (is doing) wrong. For some years. But you didn't.Budgienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-45636454269655322552010-05-13T09:37:23.525+01:002010-05-13T09:37:23.525+01:00Steven L. Can't see it. Its Harman that I don&...Steven L. Can't see it. Its Harman that I don't believe. She must be plotting. Do Labour have second round voting? Or are they still anointing?<br /><br />JH: final first election..yes,but lets have a breather first. Miliband D seems the favourite but then Major! IDS! Cameron! Ming! Clegg!<br />Always a surprise in elections.<br /><br />Budgie. True. They should have made a little more of it. but you must not forget how hard that is. If you say 'cuts' and the TV people say ..cut what? Old people's homes? Hospitals? Schools?<br /><br />Then your opponent says ..there are no need for any cuts..in fact there is room to spend a bit more.<br /><br />The Thatcher years have not been forgotten for deprivation in the North east/west and regions. A TV debate won't allow you to discuss militant tendency or Grunwick. Its just 'cut or no cut'<br />I think the mistake was to make it a dividing line. <i>Tories will cut now! Labour won't. </i><br /><br />Doesn't really work does it?Bill Quango MPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14861116614665461655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-19439557763964582762010-05-13T08:54:15.399+01:002010-05-13T08:54:15.399+01:00E-K, yes, I mostly agree.
ND, "this was the ...E-K, yes, I mostly agree.<br /><br />ND, "this was the election to throw" - mainly because team Cameron (totally unlike team Thatcher) failed their fundamental job of opposing the government. Hence as E-K says the Tories will get the blame. Post election, it is already too late.<br /><br />However, I am less sure about this government lasting only a few months. Not because it deserves to but because of the threat of fixed term parliaments. This is a sinister anti-democratic move because it prevents an opposition bringing down an unpopular administration.Budgienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-41063877446639373782010-05-13T08:42:03.182+01:002010-05-13T08:42:03.182+01:00This was the election to throw
well you know I ha...<i>This was the election to throw</i><br /><br />well you know I have no time for that thought-process, Kev, you cannot sit out the big dance, purism is for Jacobites and Bennites, permanently in opposition (and often secretly relishing it)<br /><br />I am old enough to remember 1979 (indeed I wrongly thought we were in for a re-run, = Tory working majority)<br /><br />when Thatch first got in, an awful lot of people said: that's it for the Tories, one term then they'll be out forever, the miners will have 'em for breakfast, should have let Callaghan stew in his own juice, let Labour take the rap <br /><br />(and t'unions were a force to be reckoned with in them days)<br /><br />we know the rest<br /><br />now you hear folk saying - ah yes, but she got lucky, what with Michael Foot and Galtieri<br /><br />but actually Michael Foot (or Iain Duncan Smith) is what happens to an opposition party in denial, and there are early signs that NuLab is in denial<br /><br />nothing is certain, everything is to play for; governments control the big levers, five years is a VERY long time; <i>if you don't hold the reins you can't drive the team</i> <br /><br />if, somewhere in the new regime there is someone with half the initiative and creativity of a Mandelson (and hopefully some integrity to boot), this is <i>opportunity</i> all the wayNick Drewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670594203660051701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-10756598195256727742010-05-13T08:00:56.669+01:002010-05-13T08:00:56.669+01:00Didn't the big drop in the poll occur (along w...Didn't the big drop in the poll occur (along with talk of austerity) with the reneging of the Lisbon referendum ?<br /><br />Were it not for the Sun and the Daily Wail putting the fear of God into abstainers and UKIP voters during the week of the election Cameron would have lost by a wide margin.<br /><br />It's not Cameron's job to please majorities (thus improving polls). It's his job to believe in something and stand up for it. If that polarises the electorate then it's a sign that a good job is being done.<br /><br />This administration will fail. Labour has managed to dodge a bullet just in time. The average 100 IQ Brit will not see the connection between Labour and the coming period of austerity - they will remember the Labour Govt as a golden age "Everything were all reeet 'till dem Tories go'rrin."<br /><br />After a few months of innefective Tory rule another election. At best 5 years of wishy-washy ... then a New Nu Lab govt with a thumping majority.<br /><br />We have at least ten years before the govt we need is a possibility. <br /><br />Cameron fucked it big time. He's brought the Tories the worst of all worlds and their careers will be left in tatters. They will cop the blame for the lot and will be able to do fuck all to put it right.<br /><br />This was the election to throw. Definitely.Electro-Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18073103431166273080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-7526058545419905442010-05-12T23:50:41.772+01:002010-05-12T23:50:41.772+01:00"The talks of austerity and savage cuts and n..."The talks of austerity and savage cuts and need for strong fiscal government is what caused the sharp drop in the polls."<br /><br />I despair. WHEN will you Tories learn that you cannot tell people the conclusions (austerity) until AFTER telling them WHY.<br /><br />Cameron has signally failed to tell people (indeed educate them) about the rotten economic state of the country created by Brown. You have to reduce the message to a number of simple statements repeated over and over, backed up with verifiable facts (for two years). Then, when you come to say what needs to be done, the ground is already prepared.<br /><br />The same mistake was made over the Euro in the 2001 election. Just a few days before polling Hague announce that the Tories would not adopt the Euro in that parliament. There was no preparation so eurosceptics disbelieved the policy and the europhiles were put off. Double plus bad. Go to the bottom of the propaganda class.Budgienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-12833787842429945872010-05-12T22:49:34.428+01:002010-05-12T22:49:34.428+01:00Final first election thoughts, you mean.
Has to ...Final first election thoughts, you mean. <br /><br />Has to be Millipede, D, does it not?James Highamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14525082702330365464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-31379761423993500452010-05-12T22:01:56.467+01:002010-05-12T22:01:56.467+01:00Bets for next labour leader?
Darling good value t...Bets for next labour leader?<br /><br />Darling good value to do a John Major?Steven_Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05029437876479574883noreply@blogger.com