tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post8323120124337453462..comments2024-03-18T16:33:31.633+00:00Comments on Capitalists@Work: ForebodingsCityUnslickerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15929544047783163175noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-7818743957064116422015-09-22T16:46:58.712+01:002015-09-22T16:46:58.712+01:00"there's much tighter law around demonstr...<i>"there's much tighter law around demonstrations now, especially anything close to Downing Street"</i><br /><br />And yet that Pink-Floyd offspring could be photographed setting alight to a pile of newspaper against a Whitehall wooden door, yet he wasn't charged with arson with intent to endanger life, just with his Cenotaph acrobatics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-8897112896251896312015-09-21T11:56:28.672+01:002015-09-21T11:56:28.672+01:00Of course, it's possible that Corbyn will be p...Of course, it's possible that Corbyn will be pushed out long before the next election.<br /><br />For that scenario the man to watch is Tom Watson, Labour's Deputy Leader. He's a ruthless machine politician who understands that in order to stab someone in the back you have to get behind them first. So if Corbyn won't talk to the media then Watson will always be happy to oblige. He'll position himself as Corbyn's ambassador to the PLP, the sensible one that they can work with. He's already in with the unions and after a few months of loyal service as Corbyn's deputy he'll be able to reassure the party activists that he's one of them.<br /><br />So when the party's support collapses Watson will be in the perfect position to take over. He'll have support from key factions within the party and promoting the deputy means a relatively smooth transition. The initial challenge to Corbyn might come from an ambitious backbencher who is willing to act as a "stalking horse" candidate in the hope of future reward. But it would just be a way of engineering a leadership contest that Watson could then enter without appearing disloyal, and with all the usual protestations that he's only doing it for the good of the party, public duty, etc.AndrewZnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-69198381014126748642015-09-21T00:45:55.299+01:002015-09-21T00:45:55.299+01:00Corbyn, the silly old fool, is nothing more than a...Corbyn, the silly old fool, is nothing more than a tomb tabard used to provide a front for the real power of the hard left union leaders, just as Blair was the front man for the secretive slow-burn intellectual Marxists behindn the Fabians.<br /><br />So, the question is, how do the unions plan to use that power? Seems they are aiming to house-train Corbyn to be a genuine possibility for PM - watch out for the red poppy making an appearance on Remembrance Sunday. If they are going the democratic route then presumably street violence has been ruled out. <br /><br />Even if the unions did indulge in provoking some street violence, many of their own members are Asian, which might make it look uncomfortably like a race war, rather than a class war.<br /><br />Anyway, I don't see it as important. The left, as an organised political movement, are finished. They couldn't even run their own leadership election, let alone the nation.<br /><br />The question is, when are we going to fix the mess? And who is going to set about doing it? It ain't going to be Corbyn or Cameron and time is running out. Maybe it will be the CIA....<br /><br /><br /><br />Ryannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-88061792376199955072015-09-20T20:15:34.825+01:002015-09-20T20:15:34.825+01:00Kev - our generation's Battle of Britain momen...<b>Kev</b> - <i>our generation's Battle of Britain moment. Should we really be distracted ..?</i><br /><br />not sure TPTB are particularly distracted, they just like to get on with things in their own way (see <b>Radder's</b> comment, which I hope and believe is broadly accurate) with as low a profile as poss. (the '84 Miners Strike was prepared for in exactly this way)<br /><br /><b>Andrew</b> - <i>strategy would cost them most of their seats in 2020, but it could do an awful lot of damage to British society in the meantime</i><br /><br />your suggested leftist-Islamist alliance - very attractive for some of them - is one rather tangy flavour of the general scenario I was painting: but actually the most suicidal of the lot for the party as a whole, because if Labour becomes characterised that way they lose a number of their significant traditional 'block-votes' immediately<br /><br />[it will be very interesting to see how Sadiq goes next year - he is a machine politician, and his machine is 90% (white) Livingstonistas, and has chosen to fly an Islamic flag quite prominently<br /><br />he is very divisive among the Asian community, there is some nasty clan-factionalism in Tooting which (for those who can read Urdu) isn't even hidden: restaurants, e.g., carry notices in their windows saying the equivalent of 'no Irish' etc]Nick Drewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670594203660051701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-33303087316101296832015-09-20T19:23:09.347+01:002015-09-20T19:23:09.347+01:00The 2011 riots were perpetrated by criminals, oppo...The 2011 riots were perpetrated by criminals, opportunists and thrill-seekers. People like that are not a revolutionary force. They aren't interested in ideology and they don't have any commitment to a cause. So they'll use "like, oppression and Tories and stuff" as an excuse to go looting but then they'll go home to play with their new toys. All they want is an adrenaline rush and some easy personal gain, while being a serious revolutionary is a full-time job full of hard work and danger.<br /><br />The real risk is that Labour might become a leftist-Islamist alliance like the Stop the War Coalition. Corbyn's obsessive hostility towards Israel will not resonate with mainstream voters and his sympathy for Hamas and Hezbollah will positively repel them. It will get a very positive response from Islamists and their supporters. With support collapsing elsewhere, the Labour leadership would be tempted to focus all its efforts on the one group that seemed to be responding positively. Even if the support was only coming from a small number of activists and self-appointed "community leaders" , Labour would soon be desperate enough to grasp at anything that might keep the party afloat.<br /><br />The far left would love the idea. They would see it as a glorious alliance of the marginalised and oppressed against racism and imperialism. Many Labour MPs would be appalled, but those who spoke out would suddenly find their local parties flooded with entryists intent on deselecting them. With regular Labour membership (i.e. excluding the three-pound carpetbaggers) at such a low level it wouldn't take many committed activists to do that. Before you know it, Labour suddenly becomes an openly anti-British party that encourages Muslims to reject British identity and see Britain as their oppressor. This strategy would cost them most of their seats in 2020, but it could do an awful lot of damage to British society in the meantime.AndrewZnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-506292625236404652015-09-20T09:37:19.538+01:002015-09-20T09:37:19.538+01:00One clear lesson from 2011 for potential rioters -...One clear lesson from 2011 for potential rioters - CCTV and social media remove any chance of anonymity from public disorder, and the courts will be both harsh and vindictive if you lose. There's more street kudos from a close instagram hit pic of a kid throwing a petrol bomb than from being the thrower - the thrower is sure to get 10 years, the phone-holder gets the girl. <br /><br />So, future public disorder is either tokenistic and the perps are hammered ... or CCTV networks are taken out in advance, mobile signals disrupted, police comms disabled and rioter fury is directed at real economic or control structures that wound or fatally injure the State. And as the latter requires a covert network of the type that the security services have been honing their skills in detecting, even Corbyn's officer corps will find it hard to organise.<br /><br />2011 was a useful exercise for the State; deficiencies have been identified and corrected, low definition CCTV cams upgraded all over London and holes plugged, ANPR rolled out across all major cities and police / intelligence now adept at picking up self-incriminating tweets and facebook posts. Any re-run would have to be exceedingly sophisticated to succeed - or borne out of pure mass fury that gives a scale of rioting of Ceausescu proportions that simply overwhelms the State. Raedwaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11699610899843349594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-32258444283811185652015-09-19T14:17:04.612+01:002015-09-19T14:17:04.612+01:00Oh well.
Our (inter)national rugby team should b...Oh well. <br /><br />Our (inter)national rugby team should be muched improved by 2020. <br /><br />Infused with a limitless number of fit, aggressive young men able to ruck and scrummage at a world beating level to get across a line. <br /><br />This is our generation's Battle of Britain moment. Should we really be distracted by mere sport at this time ?Electro-Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18073103431166273080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-63038186526582752992015-09-19T14:04:33.933+01:002015-09-19T14:04:33.933+01:00CO: You mean, "tomorrow belongs to me"?CO: You mean, "tomorrow belongs to me"?Sackersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17284329249862764601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-23188208929872134882015-09-19T12:18:23.642+01:002015-09-19T12:18:23.642+01:00events, events.
A sort of recession is due 2018/2...events, events.<br /><br />A sort of recession is due 2018/2019 at the latest; however crap the left are, 10 years of Tories may have enough voting another way for a weak Labour-SNP coalition. <br /><br />Much is possible in the next few years. Also, the BBC, unlike with UKIP, will be very keen to show Corbyn et al are NO THREAT AND NOT REVOLUIONARIES at all. So people maybe more accepting in 2002 than we think. <br /><br />But who knows, tomorrow is always ahead of us.CityUnslickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929544047783163175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-26012835424615292932015-09-19T12:16:34.105+01:002015-09-19T12:16:34.105+01:00One thing Jeremy Corbyn has done is succeed in mak...One thing Jeremy Corbyn has done is succeed in making the existing political class (which includes the mainstream media) look really old-fashioned. it was hilarious initially when they were thrashing around warning of doom and gloom and a return to the 80s militancy. <br /><br />More likely they are all worried that they will be ousted before long!Jannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-66971204195123864432015-09-19T08:05:52.811+01:002015-09-19T08:05:52.811+01:00ND, I think TV is key. Look at the difference betw...ND, I think TV is key. Look at the difference between how the BBC treated the poll tax riots and the Countryside Alliance. And there's much tighter law around demonstrations now, especially anything close to Downing Street. Gone are the days when the mob could put Wellington's Apsley House windows through.Sackersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17284329249862764601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-81678658701643555572015-09-19T00:56:20.102+01:002015-09-19T00:56:20.102+01:00Your scenario wont happen.
The cons have cut back...Your scenario wont happen.<br /><br />The cons have cut back welfare.<br /><br />I hope you noticed it was to in-work benefits.<br />i.e. people struggling by on min wage.<br /><br />Not struggling by on benefits with only just enough to pay any 2 of rent, heating, food.<br />They also gamble that most people only fall into that group for 6 months or so<br /><br /><i>IF</i> unemployment picks up - or the amount of time you stay unemployed rises a lot, something bad might happen.<br /><br />however, this is a small country and when things get bad, we really are all in it together.<br />in the same way that Jezza ins introduced to the realities of power and will make accomodations if he expects to be a party leader in 2016, whoever is in power when things go wrong next time will tack to escape a storm of mass discontent.andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07311993288675111834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-7397669996635178442015-09-18T23:11:55.278+01:002015-09-18T23:11:55.278+01:00It's fluid and dangerous. Just transferred all...It's fluid and dangerous. Just transferred all my (small) assets out of England to "another country".Peter Snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-47676441689034996892015-09-18T19:39:21.421+01:002015-09-18T19:39:21.421+01:00yes, curtain up - & game on, as the man saidyes, curtain up - & game on, as the man saidNick Drewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670594203660051701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-56643457103580888932015-09-18T19:34:56.839+01:002015-09-18T19:34:56.839+01:00OT
Prince Harry for PM. COME ON ENGLAND. And the ...OT<br />Prince Harry for PM. COME ON ENGLAND. And the rest of the home nations. It's like e breath of fresh air, people understanding the value of achievement through hard work and dedicationSuffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-38738641050242238052015-09-18T18:02:12.337+01:002015-09-18T18:02:12.337+01:00I don't care about Corbyn. I want Cameron '...I don't care about Corbyn. I want Cameron 'found out'. <br /><br />I want to know how he is getting away with it. <br /><br />βIt is an unacceptable way for this organisation to work β to suddenly present a bill like this for such a vast sum of money with so little time to pay it. And it is an unacceptable way to treat one of the biggest contributors to the European Union. It is an appalling way to behave. I am not paying that bill on 1 December. If people think I am they have got another thing coming.β<br /><br />*I am not paying that bill on 1 December.* So it gets paid after the election instead.<br /><br />He thinks you're chumps, folks. And I'm afraid you are. <br /><br />I could quote umpteen examples which are similar. If someone treated me like this in business they'd be getting a smack in the gob - or paint stripper poured over his car bonnet in the middle of the night. <br /><br />He is far worse than Blair. <br /><br />He is a danger to our country. <br />Electro-Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18073103431166273080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-27154342973227142072015-09-18T17:06:39.522+01:002015-09-18T17:06:39.522+01:00Interesting tea leaf reading.
Not sure I can agr...Interesting tea leaf reading. <br /><br />Not sure I can agree that the 1920's Labour party was more or less a Marxist revolutionary movement. Depends on the definition of more or less. From this distance of time it certainly doesn't look like one [a revolutioary marxist party] in the mould of those found on continental Europe at the time. Maybe to to the elites losing power (to new ones) it did though.<br /><br />Think Corbyn's role is catalyst not contender, even as leader. Failure will be spun as moving the Overton Window. Think we will see much more polarisation - just the natural expression of what has occurred really in the last 10 years in the UK as a whole,(think UKIP). As a government Tories will remain sclerotic, Labour will disolve from their curret form.hovisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-79914603465987602072015-09-18T16:23:54.170+01:002015-09-18T16:23:54.170+01:00This is UK based. There are some big nasties out ...This is UK based. There are some big nasties out there and some we may not see coming. If Cameron and the Conservatives run out of luck and have to deal with bad things with hard decisions with downsides anything could happen.Demetriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17198549581667363991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-15092985058905934522015-09-18T16:11:41.681+01:002015-09-18T16:11:41.681+01:00I have changed it as you suggest - it looks nicer ...I have changed it as you suggest - it looks nicer - though my dictionary says either<br /><br />in my experience middle-class lefties, though utter cowards themselves, are thrilled to the point of wetting themselves when they meet or even think about people who really are up for violenceNick Drewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670594203660051701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-81979689041225592352015-09-18T16:03:37.292+01:002015-09-18T16:03:37.292+01:00Well said: they are bound to try the violence card...Well said: they are bound to try the violence card.deariemenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32841798.post-65125899590561326082015-09-18T16:01:13.804+01:002015-09-18T16:01:13.804+01:00papabile?papabile?deariemenoreply@blogger.com