It'll be ignored by the BBC. Most Remainers won't see a problem with it.
Generation Rent was always bound to become Generation Socialists and socialists have no problem squaring circles because they hate their own country and are easily indoctrinated against it.
I see nothing in the Tory housing policy that solves the housing crisis but plenty to put existing Tories off turning out in the next election but here I go again, bringing it all back to my pet subject - as in Italy all crises stem from im.... yet it is still taboo around cabinet tables.
The snowflakes certainly think it's all down to old British people so Corbyn colluding with the EU is darn good PR if he wants a new votership.
Where I do see a problem is if there is anything approaching a border (soft or hard) in Northern Ireland. Of course, in the 20 years since the Good Friday agreement, we've forgotten about the loss of life on both sides of the Irish Sea.
What a load of euro tosh. Oh woe. The good Friday agreement means civil war!
What bollocks.
Show me the HARD eu border between Norway and Sweden. Between Switzerland and Italy? There are more border police on patrol between France and Italy. Where is the hard border at Monaco? It’s a bus stop and a carbineri hut. I’ve never, in fifteen to twenty visits seen any vehicle stopped, ever.
When Iceland was about to go bust, it managed to get euro funds. Because it PROMISED to adopt the euro. That piece of fiction was accepted by all a way around a tricky euro problem. How is the Eu central bank able to lend to bankrupt nations like Greece? Especially as they know those loans are not loans at all. But foreign aid.
This blog has posted thousands of words about the Eu over the years. So much that a phrase even emerged that became a normal useage in the MSM.
EUROFUDGE. Definition: Making something up to fix a problem for the short term. What happens after the short term? See INDEFINATE EURO-CAN-KICK.
Only a blinkered Remoaner, still in denial, could believe that the NI border threat wouldn't suddenly resolve itself with a few tens of billions of uk pounds stuffed in the EU mouth.
This was the view of a senior person in the Irish Embassy when discussing the effects of Brexit on the Irish question.
While I'll accept you have a different point of view, I may even be convinced of your outburst IF you can cite the basis of your views that the Irish question is something to be ignored. Just like the 3000 deaths were ignored by the mainland.
And on a personal note, one of my family risked their life every day in the North making the place safe so you can express your view without fear.
Of the 3000 killed 763 were British servicemen plus 125 civilians on the mainland. God knows how many mutilated but I've seen bomb injuries at first hand.
Hardly 'ignored'.
I counted 50 Irish attacks on the British mainland to 2004 and was a London commuter/police officer throughout much of the troubles.
I really don't know what the fuss is all about with Islamic terror. The IRA were far more real.
Anon. The point isn’t about any real or imagined terrorism or nationalism in Ireland.
It’s about the Eu.
The uk does not want a hard border. Ireland does not want one. The Eu pretends that there must be one.
But we all know this is purely a bargaining position. As is pointed out by the sudden arrangements that were made for Norway and lanzarote and Isle of Man and any other “special” deal that you wish to cite. I mentioned Iceland. Iceland is no longer even pretending it is one day going to join the euro. Must they now be expelled from the Eu? It was just a fudge. And not just any fudge. This is a murky, swirling, semi-transparent, sticky, eurofudge. That allows 27 to agree to rules not all would accept. And we KNOW that’s what will happen. Because, the alternative, is no deal. No money.
The mistake people like DR North has ever made, is in thinking that Eu regualtions are set in stone and can never be changed.
That is patently nonsense. The Eu comes up with “alternative” or bespoke deals all the time. How did Greece join the euro? Because it was allowed to.
It’s one of its few strengths, of the Eu. Making a new deal for some of its members to keep the show on the road.
It’s when it refuses to change that it gets into difficulty. As is the situation now.
Should add: its not just the EU that likes a good fudge. The UK has been the most practical of nations. Our entire country is a mass of contradictions. Something as simple as education has three, different, incompatible sets of laws. We don't even have the same legal system in the country. Have different rules for even elections in parts of the uk.
If you wish to cast aspersions on Arlene Foster's motives I suggest you stand up and don't hide behind anonymity. Arlene Foster knows rather more than most people the price of violence during the Troubles, as a few minutes work with Google will show.
Ireland is now more pozzed than the UK, and that's saying something (although 100,000 turned out in Dublin against abortion on the weekend, ignored by Brit media). Turned out Our Lady Queen Of Ireland is transgender and wants her right to choose.
All ill and bad, but the one ray of sunshine is the young generation isn't growing up so much with the Four Green Fields and Kathleen ni Houlihan, more likely Rosa Parks and Holocaust Memorial Day. A tragedy for them, but it does imply fewer volunteers for shooting people in front of their kids. And for those who do like that sort of thing, the Dublin gang wars are recruiting footsoldiers.
Management summary - the Brits don't want a hard border, the Irish don't, as EK says, let the EU - on Irish soil - enforce the border if they wish.
Anon 2.11 - the Catholics were in England, Wales and Scotland long before there was such a thing as Protestantism. And those who didn't accept Henry VIII (mostly) kept their faith and their patriotism (a Spanish army would have found few adherents in Elizabeth's England) through the centuries.
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It'll be ignored by the BBC. Most Remainers won't see a problem with it.
Generation Rent was always bound to become Generation Socialists and socialists have no problem squaring circles because they hate their own country and are easily indoctrinated against it.
I see nothing in the Tory housing policy that solves the housing crisis but plenty to put existing Tories off turning out in the next election but here I go again, bringing it all back to my pet subject - as in Italy all crises stem from im.... yet it is still taboo around cabinet tables.
The snowflakes certainly think it's all down to old British people so Corbyn colluding with the EU is darn good PR if he wants a new votership.
Yes, it's not exactly got mass coverage, has it? Mail hadn't covered it last night, let alone BBC. Isn't it great to be the one holding the megaphone?
From my reading it was keir starmer and some euro meps.
And their answer would be that they would not be doing their jobs if they did not coordinate with each other.
So it is more 'labor front bencher does job' .... shocker
Than 'corbyn considers undermining govt but does not quite get around to it' .... again.
Vote Corbyn, get Starmer
As a Remainer, I don't see a problem with it.
Where I do see a problem is if there is anything approaching a border (soft or hard) in Northern Ireland. Of course, in the 20 years since the Good Friday agreement, we've forgotten about the loss of life on both sides of the Irish Sea.
Small price Arlene would say.
There will be blood and it will be conveniently forgotten that it was us that broke the good Friday agreement, not the eu or Irish republic
Remind me, Andrew, who it is who wants a border
What a load of euro tosh.
Oh woe. The good Friday agreement means civil war!
What bollocks.
Show me the HARD eu border between Norway and Sweden.
Between Switzerland and Italy? There are more border police on patrol between France and Italy.
Where is the hard border at Monaco? It’s a bus stop and a carbineri hut. I’ve never, in fifteen to twenty visits seen any vehicle stopped, ever.
When Iceland was about to go bust, it managed to get euro funds. Because it PROMISED to adopt the euro.
That piece of fiction was accepted by all a way around a tricky euro problem.
How is the Eu central bank able to lend to bankrupt nations like Greece? Especially as they know those loans are not loans at all. But foreign aid.
This blog has posted thousands of words about the Eu over the years. So much that a phrase even emerged that became a normal useage in the MSM.
EUROFUDGE.
Definition: Making something up to fix a problem for the short term. What happens after the short term?
See INDEFINATE EURO-CAN-KICK.
Only a blinkered Remoaner, still in denial, could believe that the NI border threat wouldn't suddenly resolve itself with a few tens of billions of uk pounds stuffed in the EU mouth.
Just what is the Irish argument?
"We'll kill each other. You know we will!"
@BQ
Monaco is in a customs union with France so is de facto in the EU Customs Union. It's the same situation as the Isle of Man and Channel Islands.
Norway and Switzerland have a free trade agreement with the EU through the EEA.
Even so, the UK should just go for unilateral free trade and if the EU wants controls they will need to build them on their side of the border.
Bill - Blinkered Remoaner here.
This was the view of a senior person in the Irish Embassy when discussing the effects of Brexit on the Irish question.
While I'll accept you have a different point of view, I may even be convinced of your outburst IF you can cite the basis of your views that the Irish question is something to be ignored. Just like the 3000 deaths were ignored by the mainland.
And on a personal note, one of my family risked their life every day in the North making the place safe so you can express your view without fear.
Not every opinion comes from the Daily Mail
Still waiting for this 'scoop' to break on broadcast media.
Anon.
The way I view it is that the IRA has succeeded in making Britain a vassal state of the EU through violent means.
This cannot be right.
Of the 3000 killed 763 were British servicemen plus 125 civilians on the mainland. God knows how many mutilated but I've seen bomb injuries at first hand.
Hardly 'ignored'.
I counted 50 Irish attacks on the British mainland to 2004 and was a London commuter/police officer throughout much of the troubles.
I really don't know what the fuss is all about with Islamic terror. The IRA were far more real.
Anon.
The point isn’t about any real or imagined terrorism or nationalism in Ireland.
It’s about the Eu.
The uk does not want a hard border.
Ireland does not want one.
The Eu pretends that there must be one.
But we all know this is purely a bargaining position. As is pointed out by the sudden arrangements that were made for Norway and lanzarote and Isle of Man and any other “special” deal that you wish to cite.
I mentioned Iceland. Iceland is no longer even pretending it is one day going to join the euro. Must they now be expelled from the Eu?
It was just a fudge. And not just any fudge. This is a murky, swirling, semi-transparent, sticky, eurofudge. That allows 27 to agree to rules not all would accept.
And we KNOW that’s what will happen.
Because, the alternative, is no deal. No money.
The mistake people like DR North has ever made, is in thinking that Eu regualtions are set in stone and can never be changed.
That is patently nonsense. The Eu comes up with “alternative” or bespoke deals all the time. How did Greece join the euro? Because it was allowed to.
It’s one of its few strengths, of the Eu. Making a new deal for some of its members to keep the show on the road.
It’s when it refuses to change that it gets into difficulty. As is the situation now.
Should add: its not just the EU that likes a good fudge. The UK has been the most practical of nations. Our entire country is a mass of contradictions. Something as simple as education has three, different, incompatible sets of laws.
We don't even have the same legal system in the country. Have different rules for even elections in parts of the uk.
Let the EU be the ones to enforce the hard border.
We had no choice to be involved in Ireland. It has been a constant and historical Catholic launch pad into England.
Anon 8:18 said "...Small price Arlene would say."
If you wish to cast aspersions on Arlene Foster's motives I suggest you stand up and don't hide behind anonymity. Arlene Foster knows rather more than most people the price of violence during the Troubles, as a few minutes work with Google will show.
Ireland is now more pozzed than the UK, and that's saying something (although 100,000 turned out in Dublin against abortion on the weekend, ignored by Brit media). Turned out Our Lady Queen Of Ireland is transgender and wants her right to choose.
All ill and bad, but the one ray of sunshine is the young generation isn't growing up so much with the Four Green Fields and Kathleen ni Houlihan, more likely Rosa Parks and Holocaust Memorial Day. A tragedy for them, but it does imply fewer volunteers for shooting people in front of their kids. And for those who do like that sort of thing, the Dublin gang wars are recruiting footsoldiers.
Management summary - the Brits don't want a hard border, the Irish don't, as EK says, let the EU - on Irish soil - enforce the border if they wish.
Anon 2.11 - the Catholics were in England, Wales and Scotland long before there was such a thing as Protestantism. And those who didn't accept Henry VIII (mostly) kept their faith and their patriotism (a Spanish army would have found few adherents in Elizabeth's England) through the centuries.
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