Monday 1 June 2020

Corbyn's legacy - endless protesting

One of the downsides of the many happy upsides to Jeremy Corbyn being Labour leader last year, has been his legacy of continual protest. Corbyn was keen to get on board with the lies spewed by the unltra-left (such as Austerity has killed 120,000 people, Boris the Butcher and other pathetic memes) and to encourage 'resistance' against the Tories. Indeed, this was deemed more important than winning elections (see, there were upsides...).

Now we have the awful murder in America of yet another black guy by over zealous police. Having lived in the the US myself, the police can be very dangerous to get involved with. They get shot at very often so tend to take no chances. However, this was a horrible case of murder. As such the police have been fired and put on muder charges. In the US, radical Antifa types have used this as a proxy for a bit of rioting as have the various criminals who have had their 'livings' curtailed by lockdown.

Why though a huge protest in London? Justice in the US is being done, there is no similar case in the UK. The huge protest in London was a chance to have a little protest and possibly again for some criminals to get out and about and back to a bit of nicking.

This is Corbyn's legacy, any issue anywhere needs a huge protest and somehow it is the Tories fault - ecology, fascism, communism, police brutality- whatever cause takes their fancy (except grooming gangs for some reason). Even when the issue is a domestic one in the US.

In lighter times I wuold be relaxed, this is a good way for the left to expend their energy without achievingng any of their nutty aim. But with us literally just having a bit of control over the Coronavirues it was a very porr thing to do to have a mass protest in Central London yesterday. Sadly it shows what a bunch of hippocrits lefties are, baying for Cummings' blood a few days agho but happy to go on a dangerous march which could easily become a super-spreading virus event.


DJK said...

I think there were demos in Germany too. And you can go back to the Grosvenor Square riots against the Vietnam war, when Harold Wilson hed refused US requests for Britain to join in. Obviously some people were rioting for the joy of it, rather than to make a useful protest, but I don't think that is a new phenomenom or uniquely British.

Anonymous said...

It's not Corbyn's legacy, it's pent up anger, just like Brexit was.

In the US it's become a funnel to channel all kinds of rage, including lockdown and unemployment.

Over here, not dissimilar, and we're seeing protests going across the West.

I'm somewhat pleased the UK hasn't anywhere near the same level of 'fuel' for this fire than the US has though.

Thud said...

Not murder,at least not yet. Read charge sheet and prelim coroners report, a career violent criminal who resisted arrest when possibly under the influence of? Do not buy into this leftist weaponising of an unfortunate incident, an incident being used to attack all of us and all we have built.

Anonymous said...

There are 4-5 police in attendance
Man is on the floor
Policeman knelt on the mans neck.
He said he could not breathe.
After 6 mins policeman is told that the man has lost consciousness by another policeman
Policeman knelt on the mans neck for another 3 mins
Man dies

Man might not be a good person, and may have resisted arrest, but, this is not a capital offense.

dearieme said...

The bugger had already been handcuffed. So killing him by kneeling on his neck was murder.

There was no rioting and looting after this murder, though. I wonder why?

Anonymous said...

@Thud - no, its murder.

If he'd been stood up, threatening with a weapon, then I support any office who decides the happiest path is to unload until he stops moving.

Handcuffed, on the floor? Fuck that. It's about as cold an example of murder as you get.

BlokeInBrum said...

The preliminary autopsy report stated that the death was not due to asphyxiation.
That is, the kneeling on the neck was not the cause of death.

Having said that, due to the inflammatory nature of the matter, the cops involved should have immediately been suspended, and a murder investigation announced.

There is certainly the perception that cops in America are above the Law, and it surely was obvious that not taking action was only going to lead to problems.

Sobers said...

"Now we have the awful murder in America of yet another black gut by over zealous police."

You'd not realise from the media 'narrative' that the US police kill more white folks than black folks, by a ratio of nearly 2:1. The US police are not racist, they are a fascist occupying force, that kills with no care for any skin colour, just its own interests.

DJK said...

I'm with the consensus here. If kneeling on a man's neck for ten minutes until he's unconcious and then dead, isn't murder I really don't know what you would call it.

andrew said...


There are ~5 times as many ethnically white than black in the us.
all things being equal you should expect a ratio of 5:1 - not 2:1

Thud said...

He did not suffocate, so how did the officer 'murder' him? if he suffered from heart disease and was full of drugs and while resisting arrest died then is that murder? we do not know what happened so I will wait for the courts to sort it out, apparently I seem to be in the minority but then I've never been one for joining the mob.

Anonymous said...

Thid is talking about the preliminary autopsy report. Which seemed to suggest heart attack, nothing to do with the kneeling.

What democratic country has a police restraint procedure like that? None? Why did the officer kneel on the man at all? And on his neck? And none of the other officers told him to ease up.

The autopsy was available in WSJ and NYT. It appears, as so often the case, what we think we see, is not what killed someone.

Don Cox said...

This opinion piece from Africa is worth reading:

Don Cox

dearieme said...

"all things being equal you should expect ...": but all things are not equal, are they? Nor do I suppose for a moment that you imagine they are. So why say something so misleading?

BlokeInBrum said...

I'm with Thud in that we don't know for sure that what occured was tantamount to murder.
The proper place for that to be decided is in a court of law where evidence is assessed properly and not decided arbitrarily by the mob.
But it is also important that not only is justice done, but that is seen to be done.
American police officers have done themselves no favours by acting extremely aggressively in the fashion of an occupying force rather than a civilian organisation answerable to those they are policing.
Rightly or wrongly, there is a clear perception by minority communities that the police are racist. Acting in a fashion guaranteed to confirm those beliefs is rather retarded imho.

Anonymous said...

I'm told it's standard procedure in some police forces . The guy is on his side. If he was on his back and someone kneels on his neck that's a different matter, you'd crush his windpipe.

Mind there are dangers associated with the guy being on his side - there are arteries and something called the vagus nerve which is pretty important to blood pressure.

It looked bad, no doubt about it. But I'm sure the guy didn't mean to kill him, more likely thinking that a six foot seven 200 lb man might be tricky even with hands pinned. Why would he want to kill him? It's not as if he shot him down while he was crawling along a hotel corridor with his hands up. Don't watch the bodycam footage if you want to sleep. No riot for this guy.

Nick Drew said...

for a really serious marxist take on this (no sarcasm), see

by Adolph Reed, whom I've often recommended (he's black, BTW)

E-K said...

We've just had the BBC stoking up tensions here by interviewing BAME English people and encouraging them to express discontent with the UK. How has what happened in America got anything to do with us ?

I expect we'll see race riots in Britain this summer. The media seemed to be already stoking it up over CV19.

I saw the uncensored George Floyd video and it's horrific. What did the police officer think was going to happen ?

Anonymous said...

A new Tory Govt has been elected, and there's Brexit.

Remember how the usual suspects behaved in summer 2011.

There's the people rioting, and there are their media/academic cheerleaders. And now there's Woke Capital - every major US company is hastening to bend the knee to BLM.

I can see why Bezos wants to encourage it, though. If all the shops are burned Amazon rules.

Makes me glad I live in the sticks. Imagine trying to sleep with arsonists and looters outside in the streets.

BlokeInBrum said...

I guess you're lucky if you live in the sticks.

I watched the local `yoof` going past the house into town for a little light looting in 2011.

Luckily too many freebies there for them to be concerned with us.

Perhaps it's time to get that shotgun licence application sorted?

But then again, whats the point of having the means to defend youself, if the cost of doing so is so high?

In the Land Of The Free where nearly everyone has a gun, there seemed to be a notable absence of people defending their property and persons using firearms.

Perhaps the way forward is to reinstate the 'Riot Act' once again?

E-K said...

I've had some thoughts on the Floyd issue and the only rationale I can think of is this. An ambulance had been called before Mr Floyd died. I can only assume this was done because they thought he was drugged up.

If so had he spat at the officers ? If yes then in the COVID era that's a dangerous thing to do, hence they pinned him the way they did.

I believe this to have been a sizeist issue rather than a racist one but don't let that stop our own Left from trying to rake the muck here.

Anonymous said...

@Thud, it's not about joining the mob, it's about reaching a reasonable conclusion.

Let's flip this round a little. It's not a dead criminal, it's a dead OAP - let's make them a war hero too, for added emotion. And it wasn't a policeman kneeling on neck, making an arrest, but a burglar impolitely inquiring as to the combination of their safe.

Are you coming out to bat for the burglar? The OAP died of an heart attack - well, they were old, probably forgot their medicine... No connection at all between them having had their neck knelt on for the best part of 10 minutes. Just serendipity's evil twin playing silly buggers. The burglar was just going about their business, when the OAP thoughtlessly expired on them. Who's the REAL victim here?

I'm betting you wouldn't.

Let's be clear, if you kneel on someones neck, and continue after they've claimed they cannot breathe and have passed out, and they then die, you've murdered them. The bit where you keep kneeling on them after they've passed out is the line where any claims of manslaughter have sloped off for a quiet pint, and murder is strolling round the scene, whistling and checking its watch.

And now the private autopsy contradicts the preliminary, states it was asphyxiation.

Guess it's best of three now.

E-K said...

Read my 7.03, Anon.

As an ex police officer it's the only reason I can think of - knowing from ex colleagues that in Britain you must call an ambulance for a suspect if there is even the slightest hint that he is intoxicated. He must not be taken into police custody.

If Mr Floyd had spat at the officers in this COVID era (proven to be highly dangerous) then that is the only justification for holding him that way.

I am sicked by the whole thing. It was awful to watch.

E-K said...

Interestingly 24 US police officers have been murdered by gunfire and vehicular assault this year.

I think photos of the bodies should be shown so that people realise there is shocking tragedy all around.

It won't bring Mr Floyd back but it will garner some sympathy for the police - alas the Left deem such information being made public too provocative.

Only they are allowed to be provocative.

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Anonymous said...

@EK, I knew a couple of ex-police in the US, and they'd be horrified at it too.

One was highly concerned about how militarised and remote from the communities the police in the US have gotten. We frequently mock the likes of community liaison roles, but there is a place for them. Police do their job from consent of the public at large, and it's in both sides interests to maintain good communication and understanding.

And that's showing the police are human too. I remember as a kid, the TAG team were to be feared, but the regular coppers got begrudging respect from most of us, precisely because of that. They were just us, in uniforms, with a job to do, whilst the TAG team were the like the school bullies, so they got no respect. And that ties into the militarisation, if you look like an occupying force, you can expect to be treated as such.

On occasion I get on my soap box about human rights and responsibilities, and the fact we have a population heavy on the former, light on the latter, and governments who prefer the latter to the former.

There's a national debate needed about those, and part of that is what role do the people and the police want the police to take in society.

We want more bobbies on the beat, we need to pony up via taxation, we want more crimes solved, we need to recognise much of that is done back stage, and if the police want better community relations and help and support from the public, they need to regain our trust that they're not a glorified politicised organisation and are actually interested in serving the public, and we need to stop treating them almost as the enemy (e.g. if done for speeding, you broke the law, suck it up).

E-K said...

"There's a national debate needed about those, and part of that is what role do the people and the police want the police to take in society."

Such a shame. We seemed to have it just right at one point. The police constable used to be the last resort - local Dads did most of the police work, detecting most of their lad's crime and clearing it up without need for the state apparatus. The constable was only brought in when the Dads couldn't do this.

The answer, I have found, is to move away from serious trouble spots and raise your lads there, where there are other Dads of similar outlook. I actually moved to a far poorer area than the one I was in and I can't afford to move back so it's nothing to do with poverty, not in money anyway.

It paid dividends. One boy is now a research scientist and the other a 5th year med student (the only white boy in his group.)

I simply could not stand it when they started speaking in 'gangsta' and instinctively knew the opportunity limiting effects of speaking like a baby and walking around with your arse hanging out of your trousers. So I had a chat with my wife and we agreed to move when the twins were 7.

The police tool up to deal with the environment they are in. They don't create the environment that means they have to wear stab vests and carry mace. Politicians who venerate gangsta culture do that.

Anonymous said...

"local Dads did most of the police work"

You're talking about the days when kids had a Dad at home. That's long gone in black culture and pretty rare in the white underclass. I'm old enough to remember when the "unmarried mother" was (correctly) seen as a social problem.

Our media (and that includes the Mail and Telegraph) is totally dishonest in its presentation of white people as a threat to black people, when it's completely the other way round. White people didn't get out of Brixton in the 1960s or London in the 2000s because black people were bidding more for houses and/or paying higher rent.

For every Stephen Lawrence, there are half a dozen Anthony Whelans. And there are black on white torture/rape/murder horrors with no reverse counterparts - like Mary Ann Leneghan in the UK and Shannon Newsom/Christian Channon in the States.

Thud said...

Burglar and oap? the burglar does not represent the law and order needs of society as mandated by law. Autopsy, the private autopsy was performed by 2 political activist profs one of whom was sacked in disgrace by the N.Y. Mayor, the original official autopsy again confirms presence of meth and fentanyl in the system....hmmm just what effect might that have on an individuals behaviour? Again I will wait until the officers are heard from in a court of law before I make my final judgement, I'm just like that, silly me. But by all means continue the 'cops are murderers' nonsense as the rising toll of dead and the huge amount of property damage seems to be working out so well.

CityUnslicker said...

EK - great comments today, really insightful from an ex-copper.

I tthink the wider piece here is that the BLM stuff motivates leftist agitators. but the criminals are very bored of lockdown and lots of people have lost their jobs - expressing anger about this and nicking some stuff is a likely outcome. It will be here too, whether the spark that ignites this is the same who knows, although the leftists here will be looking to find or create a spark over the next few weeks - probably racially or identity based. The london gangs, short on money to pay their 'troops' will be ready to cause a bit of mayhem.

Anonymous said...

CU - you are right - the drugs trade must have taken a hit - round our way the police, with more time on their hands than usual, were taking out county lines couriers the same way as Welsh police were stopping English walkers heading for the Beacons - ANPR, "that car's not from round here".

You'll have the same sort of forces at play here - the stop Brexit brigade now need to bring down a government to do it. Expect more "spontaneous" demos/riots and undocumented shopping.

Another white person suffocated by police that didn't make a riot, Tony Timpa. Then there's the Downs kid, Ethan Saylor. No demos for him.

Anonymous said...

@Thud, what does a persons role have to do with murdering someone? If you think the police should get a free pass, there are plenty of banana republics to move to who would agree.

And do me a favour, quit with the Owen Jones level of snide remarks, the "all cops are killers" is your second one, and it looks as if you doth protest too much.

As for who did the private autopsy, how about playing the ball? Could quite easily state the official autopsy had political reasons to look the way it did - I'd like to see an actual independent one.

As for the drugs in his system, how does that tie into the actions of the officer? The fact remains he maintained his knee on the neck long after Floyd was incapacitated.

Unless you can justify that, no bueno.

Nick Drew said...

We need some bad weather, fast

Anonymous said...

After 34 posts going on about various politicians, doesn't anyone see the irony in the title ...

Anonymous said...

Nick - If there isn't then don't rely on the police. I think they'll be operating a total withdrawal of policing.

They cannot afford to manhandle any BAME person now and I despair that the BBC have been busy transposing the awful George Floyd incident onto the UK.

Blackout Tuesday next week in the UK on BBC R1 Xtra in which there will be discussions and debates in support of the black community.

You'd think this had happened in the UK.

Anonymous said...

Obviously this guy, who choked on the drugs in his mouth after being stopped in a car containing inter alia a convicted drug dealer and a bottle of ammonia, didn't quite make the cut for a decent riot.I remember Stratford station was closed.

"On 25 June, friends and family of Da Costa organised a protest outside of the Forest Gate police station.[1] The protests turned violent, with protesters throwing bricks ripped from a wall at police and lighting fires near the Stratford bus station.[8] Fourteen police officers were injured and four people were arrested for charges including disorder, arson and criminal damage. Some of the protesters carried signs reading "Black Lives Matter", referring to a movement that had been started in the United States"

Anonymous said...

I'm jolly glad I live in the States right now (even within a major urban area, although outside the centre). It may sound nuts. But there's a reason the rioters are targeting empty stores, and not occupied houses. In England, this reasoning wouldn't hold, and I'd be genuinely fearing for my family's safety.

There were 3 million FBI background checks last months, indicating about 2 million gun sales to non-criminal citizens. The more the merrier. I think this will benefit the NRA no end, and will probably benefit Trump too.

Thud said...

Anon, Dem governor, Dem mayor, Dem police chief, Dem AG, I could go on, the official autopsy was not on the officers side given the administration and its minions is fiercely leftist, as for Owen jones, rather more of him in you and your liberal mob loving ways than in me.I'm just your average freedom loving righty racist.