Friday 30 August 2024

Battle of Kursk (2024) Revisited: illuminated by flames

It is well over three weeks of Ukraine's incursion into Kursk.  If they so choose, they can easily extend this into next month, maybe longer: the word in Moscow is that Putin has set his birthday (in October) as the deadline[1] for expelling them.  

His policy is consistent with the 'Stalin 1941' approach he has generally taken when hit with an unexpected blow: lie low for a bit (doubtless squaring away various issues and people behind the scenes), then tough things out - the policy equivalent of trading space for time, always Russia's default reaction.  Would be deeply unsatisfactory from the standard western point of view as regards being seen to respond with urgency, but doesn't seem to bother most Russians very much ("wait till the Tsar finds out ...").  Meanwhile his Donbas advance continues - with faint signs that manoeuvre warfare might even be breaking out there too.  Oh, the rush to get things done before the US election!

Putin's policy of not troubling too much over Kursk may be assisted by a phenomenon noted in France during WW1.  Primitive opinion-surveys determined that the population in the south of France - many hundreds of miles from Verdun - didn't care very much at all about what was happening elsewhere: northern France's peril didn't seem to move them.  The French powers-that-be took this so amiss, they instituted (inter alia) the rigid, universal school curriculum that had every French kid taught exactly the same thing - i.e. whatever the government dictated - at exactly the same time, wherever they were.  Knowing first-hand how brutally racist Russians are towards Ukrainians, it seems possible (though personally I have no evidence) that Muscovites don't view deep-south Kursk residents in a particularly sympathetic way either.  In any event, that 'word from Moscow' also has it that Russia as a whole is not much troubled by the Kursk incursion, distinctly limited in geographical scope as it will always be, however long or short. 

While we await further developments on all these fronts, Ukraine's ultra-successful drone-strike campaign is having a genuine effect on Russian oil supplies, petro-facilities being nigh impossible to defend.  The standard official Russian line is usually that "a drone was shot down over the refinery / whatever, and fragments caused a fire that subsequently spread".  Everyone knows this means the attack was successful: and as one milblogger acidly wrote, shooting down a high-explosive drone directly over its target is likely to be "a posthumous achievement" - for both the shooter and the target itself.  Incidentally, the fact that one of these fires has raged for 12 days now (and counting) tells this old oilman that the Russians have failed to fit non-return valves in their oil infrastructure (i.e. the fire is being fed by oil still arriving unpreventably into the facility from the pipelines it is connected to) - which isn't even remotely surprising: their whole set-up is truly primitive by western standards.  They'll no more be able to retrofit valves in a hurry than land a cosmonaut on the moon[2] - indeed, they probably won't even be able to buy them.

Of course, they can and will source oil from elsewhere and truck it in.  The lines of logistics, though, start to get very stretched indeed[3].  

ND  

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[1] Of course, Putin's deadlines, like his 'red lines', are eminently flimsy, as has been proven so often it's a wonder he still sets them.

[2] Amazingly (by western standards), the Russians have even attempted to bring the blaze under control by holding a prayer meeting at the oil depot in question, complete with saintly relics.  Sadly for these pious folk, an oil tank took the opportunity to explode during the ceremony.  Still: always gotta admire piety.

[3] Also, there will be a lot of folk taking a cut in such an ad hoc operation.  The beauty of fixed delivery-infrastructure is that once built, it's relatively hard for the usual embezzlement to take place along the supply chain.  But an operation based on thousands upon thousands of trucks ...

12 comments:

Anonymous said...

it's relatively hard for the usual embezzlement to take place along the supply chain. But an operation based on thousands upon thousands of trucks ...

You old skeptic, you...

Diogenes said...

Had a chat with some of my ethnic-Russian Eastern European relatives (by marriage) the other day. One of them trades between Romania and Moldova with the eventual destination of Ukraine. The only issue they have constantly changing paperwork and the 'correct' stamp. A few of his fellow russian speakers have been to Moscow and would love to live there as they say it's a great place to be. The inference is that as long as Moscow (city) is happy then the government is safe. Would explain the wobbles where Prigozhin and Wagner headed north.

Would also explain the reluctance to allow Ukraine to go anywhere near the city even though it's not that far away from the joint border.

Nick Drew said...

Skeptic, anon? I know you are joking. Let me tell you a story.

Many years ago I was working in Russia (see this blog passim) in the gas industry. There was an export pipeline connection to Latvia (of course - as to all point west of the Russian border) and it seemed to me there was scope for a much bigger Latvian gas sector, particularly for growth in industrial demand. I looked into why it was so undeveloped, and was told that Russian organised crime dominated the diesel trucking business (often stealing the diesel from pipelines, into which they would tap), and that any Latvian industrial co thinking about converting from diesel to gas would get a visit ... Trucking, of course, is exactly the kind of business organised crime finds very convenient: multiple small units, easy to intimidate, easy to hide, no complex tech involved.

When I reported this back to my US bosses, they understood completely: "just like New York City", they said ...

So: any time Putin wants to handle all the Russian Army's fuel needs via truck deliveries, he only has to ask (and pay)

Elby the Beserk said...

"When I reported this back to my US bosses, they understood completely: "just like New York City", they said ..."

Grateful Dead fans eh?

"Ramblin' Rose", lyrics by the inestimable late and much lamented Robert Hunter

"Just like Jack the Ripper, just like Mojo Hand
Just like Billy Sunday, in a shotgun ragtime band
Just like New York City, just like Jericho
Pace the halls and climb the walls and get out when they blow"

Anonymous said...

If you didn't know, Russia have stopped publicising the output figures for oil, diesel, gas distillates, pretty much the lot. That was in the last week. No doubt about it, the attacks are doing damage. And they are now hitting power stations.

https://t.me/llordofwar/369879

But... the advance into Kursk is now almost static, and the salient gets closer to Pokrovsk every day. Whether the Ukrainian complaints of no defence lines are true or deception, it does seem that the captured places are no longer wrecks, but more or less intact.

I wonder what effect the Chinese restrictions on drone components are having? Any relation between that and Jake Sullivan's trip to China?

Anonymous said...

"Foreign businesses in China have complained of vague data rules and preferential treatment for local players, as well as subsidies that allow Chinese businesses to sell at far lower prices. Sullivan told reporters Thursday that he had discussed the impact such issues have on Western businesses and supply chains. “We had a vigorous give and take on the issue, obviously didn’t come to agreement,” Sullivan told reporters during a press conference at the end of the trip.

Far Eastern countries don't do free markets.

Anonymous said...

OT - Thyssen Krupp steel in trouble

https://www.euronews.com/business/2024/08/30/why-are-senior-leaders-at-germanys-thyssenkrupp-resigning

"The unit is struggling in the face of competition from cheaper Asian manufacturers, a situation aggravated by Europe's energy price spike. Lower demand from European carmakers has also dented sales, while climate requirements require high investments. Although restructuring plans are still being negotiated, job cuts are expected - a source of anxiety for the division's 27,000 workers."

Bill Quango MP said...
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Nick Drew said...

Bill, post again - I have inadvertently deleted your comment!

Many grovelling apologies!

(You know it's an error - I rarely ever delete anything, as can plainly be seen by what remains.)

Bill Quango MP said...

Only asking what is occurring in Kursk.
The second line ( Russian ) defences look to be being hastily constructed. In terrain that is not particularly well suited to a defensive line.
Waterlogged at 4ft down. No anchor points. No natural barrier. Only useful feature is that it’s close to a main road. Some suspect it’s only being built there so they can get the engineers equipment along the road, to build the trenches and bunkers.

The theory is, President P has been told, those fortifications already exist. Where they probably only exist on paper military maps and in the pockets of the corrupt commanders who should have built them.

It’s very strange. Why haven’t the Ukrainians gone home? Why haven’t the Russians made them go home?
The Ukrainians want a bit of a bulge to explode more ammo dumps or aircraft hangars or oil facilities.

The Russians? Why haven’t they won a great victory? Expelling those Ukrainians? They surely could if they wanted to?

Any ideas?

Nick Drew said...

Thanks for re-posting, Bill.

(1) Zelensky has already (wisely) said that they don't want to retain Russian real-estate, so by inference they are sticking around because they find they can (at 'acceptable' cost), and every passing week allows them to wreak a bit more havoc and mischief, & accentuates Putin's weakness in this regard; albeit I have to think there are diminishing returns. But as they've amply shown, Ukr forces are resourceful & imaginative, & they may be poisoning a lot of wells, so to speak.

(2) I can't imagine Putin has said to his people: let's not chase them out just yet: string 'em along - it's keeping a good few thousand of 'em away from Donbas. Though he may have settled for this as a lame, second-prize post-rationalisation of the actual fix he's in. So I think it's a measure of how stretched RF forces are.

As you say, there's nothing ultimately that Ukr could do to resist being expelled as & when RF puts in the appropriate priority & effort

Nick Drew said...

(3) Crap, hasty defensive lines are absolute deathtraps in an environment where man-hunting killer-drones can be (and are) flown right into the front-doors of houses. Jump into a straight ditch and you're guaranteed to die there.

(4) Ukr may be able to use the 'extra bulge' for a bit more reach for tube artillery, but their drone / UAV capabilities are now so great, they don't need it for strategic reach - and wouldn't want to put launchers into such a contested zone

(5) Can't emphasize too strongly how well Ukr is conducting its asymmetric warfare with ultra-strategic strikes by long-range homegrown UAVs against ultra-vulnerable, high-value targets. A target-rich environment indeed. But why didn't Putin's intelligence anticipate this? Ukr housed the high-tech armaments industries for the whole of Soviet Russia!!